Download PDF Version
Printable Version
The Requirements for Co-Existence with Hamas with Amjad Atallah and Robert Pastor
Transcript No. 309 (2 February 2009)
To view the video of this briefing online, go to http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/4261 for Mr. Atallah's remarks and http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/ht/display/ContentDetails/i/4262 for Dr. Pastor's remarks.
The Palestine
Center
Washington, D.C.
29 January
2009
Amjad
Atallah:
hank you everybody. Thank you so
much, Samar, for having me here. It’s
always a pleasure to speak at the Center and
often times you hear things here that you don’t
necessarily hear anyplace else or in many other
places. It’s not only very valuable, it
also, I think, helps to expand the envelope of
conventional wisdom that exists in the
city. And the Palestine Center plays a
very important role in doing that.
I actually met
Samar about the same time that I met [former
U.S.] Senator [George] Mitchell. I was
actually one of the last of the group of legal
advisors to be hired to assist the Palestinian
Negotiating Team, and I was hired in November
of 2000. I actually showed up at the same
time that the committee that Senator Mitchell
and [former U.S.] Senator [Warren] Rudman were
going to head, [which] was created by [former
U.S.] President [Bill] Clinton. And all
the other lawyers already had a brief.
Negotiations were ongoing; Camp David on to
Taba was never really a break in
negotiations. They were ongoing talks
that were taking place in a continuation of the
negotiations, despite the public spin that
President Clinton, at the time, and [then
Israeli Prime Minister] Ehud Barak were trying
to present. So, all the lawyers already
had something to do. There were lawyers
in charge of security and borders, lawyers in
charge of refugees, lawyers in charge of each
of the elements. And I showed up, and
they said, “Well look, we just need you to
help. We’re going to have an agreement
within a month or so. We just need your
help to prop up the team that’s working.”
And then, we heard about Senator
Mitchell. Nobody was taking it seriously
because the official talks were still taking
place, and a fact-finding committee to find out
why the intifada was taking place
didn’t seem to be of high order. And the
Israelis were desperate to ignore it. So,
I and a number of my colleagues requested,
“Well, we’ll continue to back up, but let us
also head the Palestinian response to the
Mitchell Committee and engage with the Mitchell
Committee.” Of course, the Mitchell
Committee became the major player as soon as
Taba ended and as soon as it was clear that
Ariel Sharon was going to be the next prime
minister of Israel. And it was clear it
was not going to be a two-state solution in any
immediate term. Senator Mitchell’s work
became extraordinarily important. In five
months, he availed himself and did actually a
lot more and accomplished far more than many of
the envoys had done over a course of
years. He had a very engaging style in
doing it. I wish him the best of luck,
and it’ll be nice to pretend that the eight
years that happened in between have not
happened. But the truth of the matter is
the world looks very different. The
Middle East looks very different. The
Arab-Israeli dispute looks very
different. But the fundamentals stay the
same, just worse. We can only hope that
[U.S.] President [Barack] Obama and Senator
Mitchell and [U.S.] Secretary [of State
Hillary] Clinton will be able to bridge
that.
I wanted to talk
not explicitly about Hamas right now because
Bob is going to talk a little bit more about
that. What I wanted to talk about is the
Israeli relationship with the Palestinian
leadership and the paradigm that they’ve used
for engaging with Palestinian leadership.
And it makes sense from the perspective of an
Israeli government seeking to maintain control
and occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip. It makes sense from the
perspective of somebody who’s trying to
negotiate autonomy over Palestinian population
centers but who seeks to integrate the
territory into Israel. It doesn’t make
sense from the perspective of a power that’s
seeking to transform the Middle East by having
Israel accepted into the Middle East, to have
peace agreements with all the Arab
states. And we may find in the coming
months that there is a fundamental difference
in national security interests between the
United States and between the government of
Israel and how they perceive their interests if
the Israelis insist on maintaining the same
relationship and the same goals and if the U.S.
government actually has decided that it’s in
its interest to resolve the Arab-Israeli
dispute once and for all. There are
several examples, and I’ll be brief about them,
but they are several examples of how Israel has
related with Palestinian leadership that, I
think, once we go through them you’ll
understand exactly what’s happening vis-a-vis
Hamas and Fateh today.
Israel has always
looked for Palestinian leadership that would
promote its national security interests. But
the paradox has been that it’s looking for
Palestinian leaders that would keep the peace
and keep security for Israel while it continued
to colonize and settle Palestinian
territory. That’s a paradox. There
is no such thing as a Palestinian leadership
that will actually help the Israelis colonize
the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. You can
find Palestinian leadership that agrees to
nonviolence. You can find Palestinian
leadership that agrees to negotiation.
You can find one that agrees to diplomatic
processes. But you can’t find one that
agrees to Israeli colonization of the territory
and autonomy for the Palestinians. And
so, at a certain point in time, the myth breaks
down and the collapse of that myth always leads
to violence.
First, in the
1970s, Israel had tried to have municipal
elections in the Palestinian cities in the
hopes that the municipal leaders that were
chosen would be separate from the PLO
[Palestine Liberation Organization] because the
PLO was not allowed to run. And that they
would then be people that Israel could
cultivate as a Palestinian leadership and
develop to negotiate various forms of
autonomy. Of course, that didn’t
work. Everyone who was elected was a
supporter of the PLO. By 1980, Israel
began dismissing the mayors that were elected
and in 1982 simply did away with the entire
structure while at the same time going after
the PLO in Lebanon to try to destroy the PLO
once and for all.
In the 1980s, also
Israel tried to create something called village
leagues in which it would appoint Palestinians
to head Palestinian cities. So, not
elections this time; more appointed
people. And these people would have the
authority to issue permits and drivers licenses
and to try and ease the lives of Palestinians
within the cities. But they would also be
the go to people. If you needed
something, you had to go to them. And
they in turn would be reliant upon the
Israelis. Again, Israel was hoping that
they would be able to cultivate a new
leadership that they could negotiate autonomy
with. The aims of the leagues were, in
the words of one of the district village heads
that was chosen, “to improve relations with
Israel, to prevent terrorism, to combat
communism and to work for the establishment of
peace and democracy.” Now, that would
sound really, really familiar in the modern
context if you just change the world communism
with something else. By 1983, of course,
the Palestinians refused to accept these
models. And by 1983, that model collapsed
as well.
So, the Israelis
also tried another thing to help break up the
[PLO]. Even though they had driven the
PLO from Lebanon, the PLO still existed as a
political force. So, they attempted to
weaken the PLO support in the West Bank and the
Gaza Strip by supporting Islamists connected
mostly with the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s
hard to remember now, but in the 1980s, the
United States was supporting [late Iraqi
President] Saddam Hussein and his war with
Iran. And the aim then was that there was
a kind of Islam that was politically
quiescent. You know, it concentrated on
gender issues and it concentrated on prayer and
it concentrated on those types of things but
not so much on social justice; not so much on
politics; and that kind of Islam should be
promoted vis-a-vis the more political kind of
Islam that was felt emanating from Iran.
Israel also adapted that policy in the West
Bank, attempting to support Islamists who they
thought could help break up the support and the
monopoly of power the PLO had. Now, this
included people like the late [Hamas leader]
Sheikh [Ahmad] Yassin, Mahmoud Zahar who’s one
of the leaders of Hamas today. It
included even allowing, for example, members of
the Ikhwan to move from one city to another in
order to demonstrate against the PLO or in
order to compete with Palestinian student
groups in local universities, etc.
However, by 1987, as it was clear that the
occupation was not ending, the first intifada
erupted spontaneously, not as a result of
anything the PLO had organized. The
Islamists transformed themselves into
Hamas. And they formed Hamas to take on a
more militant objective of liberating Gaza and
the West Bank through military force.
Israel immediately arrested Sheikh Yassin and
other Hamas leaders, and it continued to try to
assassinate PLO leaders that it felt were
helping promote the intifada, including [Fateh
leader Khalil al-Wazir] Abu Jihad, who was
assassinated in 1988 perhaps by one of the
people who’s running for prime minister right
now in Israel.
In 1991, there was
a different kind of intervention in Palestinian
politics. This one was by the United
States. [Former U.S.] President [George
H.W.] Bush Sr. decided that there was a need,
and it was a vital national security interest
of the United States that there be an end to
the state of war and the state of conflict
between Israel and the Arab states. So,
he wanted a peace deal between Israel and the
Arab states, and he actually pulled in, even
before the Arab summit resolution, he pulled in
all the Arab states or all the major Arab
states to sit down and negotiate with Israel a
final status agreement. They knew they
needed Palestinians, and they knew there needed
to be a Palestinian component. So, there
was a promotion and identification of
Palestinian local leaders from the West Bank
and the Gaza Strip. These people in fact
turned out to be the creme de la creme.
They were the best people that Palestine had
yet to offer--Dr. Haidar Abdel Shafi, Dr. Hanan
Ashrawi, Dr. Ghassan Khatib, Dr. Nabil Kassis
and others who were not necessarily formal
members of the PLO but they may have been
members of the Palestine National Council
[PNC]. They were local leaders in their
own right, and they were brought in under the
Jordanian delegation. But they only
agreed to participate under the explicit
instruction of [late Palestinian President]
Yasser Arafat and the PLO now that leadership
was trying to negotiate freedom from the
occupation with Israel.
Those negotiations
weren’t going all that well. Remember
that the person on the other side of the table
was [former Israeli Prime Minister] Yitzhak
Shamir’s government. Ultimately, [late
Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak] Rabin took over
from Shamir, and he had the very clever idea
that they might be able to pursue a quicker
deal and a better one more suited to Israel’s
interest if they negotiated directly with
Yasser Arafat and the PLO than with these
luminaries among Palestinians. And so,
they had parallel secret talks with the PLO to
negotiate the Oslo Accords. That
agreement brought the Palestinian leadership,
the PLO, from Tunisia back into the West Bank
and the Gaza Strip to control about 17 percent
of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and to run
it autonomously. So, we’re back to the
idea of autonomy. The Palestinians would have
autonomy, limited autonomy, within those 17
percent. The Israelis would continue to
control the rest, but it was predicated on the
idea that this was only a temporary
transitional moment until such time as a final
status agreement was reached although the
Accords never specifically stated what the
ultimate goal of those talks would be.
So, the PLO failed to negotiate for self
determination, and they failed to negotiate
specifically for statehood in the agreement
although it is what every single Palestinian on
the PLO side thought that they were
negotiating.
During this
process, the Israelis had significant successes
in terms of cultivating a Palestinian
leadership that they could work with and that
the international community could work
with. This effectively supplanted,
however, the West policy that was started in
Madrid. Obviously, this didn’t work too
well either. The subsequent negotiations
for Palestinian statehood didn’t succeed.
By 1999, when the Palestinians expected they
were going to have an independent state, it was
clear they were not. Negotiations, in
fact, didn’t even begin until the summer of
2000 over the idea of statehood. In the
meantime, Hamas continued to develop a strong
base of support based primarily not on its
agenda but based on the failure of the agenda
of the PLO as dominated by Fateh at the
time.
Ultimately, of
course, the second intifada broke out in
2000. By 2002, Israel once again decided
that it needed to replace this
leadership. So, Yasser Arafat’s
governance was systematically deconstructed
over the period of 2002, and Samar and I
actually lived through that time. It was
less brutal and bloody than the current
situation in Gaza but very similar in goal and
methodology. The Israelis went after the
Palestinian police first. They attacked
all the Palestinian police stations.
Then, they went after the Palestinian prisons
and attacked the Palestinian prisons that were
holding prisoners, some of whom were allegedly
people trying to commit security offenses
against Israel. Then, they went after the
ministries, and they destroyed many of the
ministries. They went to a lot of the
ministries that had files and documents, and
they stole them and effectively took them into
Israel. They arrested Arafat. For
all practical purposes, they put Arafat in the
Muqataa and placed him under house
arrest. So what ended up happening, of
course, was that Fateh and the PLO—first, they
had their past failure of not being able to
negotiate a success, but then they had the,
second, military failure of having their actual
autonomous governance completely wiped out by
the Israelis. The Israelis during this
period of time left Hamas alone, by the way,
because they were using one against the
other. Finally, of course, what happened
was Arafat died, and you effectively only had a
shell of a Palestinian autonomy regime in the
West Bank and the Gaza Strip. 2008--of
course, this only happened in the last four
weeks so I don’t need to go through it, but
Israel effectively did the same thing to the
elected Hamas government that was ruling over
the Gaza Strip.
My argument is
that Israel’s quest to keep creating and
replacing Palestinian leaderships in order to
have autonomous regimes in the West Bank and
the Gaza Strip are doomed to fail. And
each time, they’re more violent. Each
time, the replacement process is more bloody
usually on the Palestinian side. The
United States now needs to determine whether we
can continue following Israel’s lead in terms
of how we deal with Palestinian
leadership. Are we looking for
Palestinian leadership that will promote an
autonomous entity in the West Bank or the Gaza
Strip for a period of time knowing ultimately
that it will fail, knowing ultimately there
will be violence again? Or are we looking
for an end of conflict and Palestinian leaders
who have the support of the Palestinian public
who can negotiate an agreement? The South
Africans always used to say to me that if you
know you’re going to negotiate with your enemy
for a peace agreement, you have to strengthen
that enemy because that enemy needs to be
strong enough to pull their people into the
peace. If, however, your aim is not to
have a peace agreement, you weaken your enemy
because a weak enemy can’t conclude a peace
agreement with you. What the Israelis
have chosen to do so far is to create weak
Palestinian leaderships to negotiate with
instead of strong Palestinian leaderships that
could bring their entire public along with a
peace agreement. The United States needs
to determine that we need to pursue a different
path. We have our own national security
interests. They’re not tied up with
Israeli occupation and colonization of the West
Bank and Gaza Strip. Even though there
are many Americans who believe that Judea and
Samaria are part of the biblical patrimony to
the Jewish people that is not interpreted by
the U.S. government officials as meaning that
the United States should support an Israeli
annexation of the West Bank.
How should the
United States then deal with the current
situation? Because what we’re left with
now are a bunch of pieces. We’re not left
with some kind of tangent whole or a very
strong structure here and a strong structure
there, and we have to pick and choose among
them. The fact of the matter is
[Palestinian President] Mahmoud Abbas was
elected president although his term ended a few
weeks ago. Hamas was elected to
parliament and is the legitimately elected
Palestinian government. Fateh and Hamas
ultimately are going to have to agree together
how to have a unity government. In the
past when they’ve tried that, the United States
has been the primary power that’s helped it
fall apart because under the[former U.S.
President George W.] Bush administration, we
were against any inclusion of Hamas into a
system, even one in which Hamas endorsed
negotiations; even one in which Hamas endorsed
allowing Abbas to negotiate a peace
agreement. Part of that process was
because the United States under Bush was
insistent that every Palestinian, in order to
come to the table, acknowledge and provide the
conditions of acceptance of Israel that Israel
was not yet willing to provide for the
Palestinians but to provide them all up
front.
Fateh provided,
“We will not fight.” Fateh never asked
Israel to say, “We will not fight.” Fateh
was asked to recognize Israel’s right to exist,
but it never asked Israel to recognize
Palestine’s right to exist. To this day,
Israel has not recognized the right to exist of
a Palestinian state. The Palestinians
were asked to not engage in any acts that would
damage Israel’s national security
interests. Israel was not asked to end
settlement construction. Hamas’ argument,
especially as the moderate wing of Hamas as
they’ve attempted to present a different
language than the maximalist one that they were
using before, has basically said, “Well, we’re
looking for a more reciprocal agreement.
We’re looking for reciprocity in the process
that takes us there. We actually don’t
want to recognize Israel, but we want to be in
the position of Ariel Sharon or Shas or
[Avigdor] Lieberman [of the right-wing Israeli
party Yisrael Beiteinu] who have said that they
don’t support Palestinian statehood. They
don’t support the peace agreements that Israel
has with Jordan.” But when Sharon was
prime minister, even though he voted against
peace with Jordan, he implemented the peace
agreement with Jordan. And so, Hamas has
attempted to position itself--and I have no
idea whether this will be successful or
not--but they’ve attempted to position
themselves in a place where they can say,
“We’ll be like the Israeli right-wing. We
will say that it is our goal that we have some
maximalist solution, but we will accept
whatever the majority of our public
endorses. And we will implement
it.”
Is there room for
the United States to engage in this?
Well, I think we ultimately have no choice
because Hamas does in fact now control the Gaza
Strip, and Fateh is in control of much of the
West Bank, at least the autonomous parts that
the Israelis have provided them. So,
we’re going to have to deal with
everybody. How we do that in such a way
that promotes an end to the conflict and that
strengthens the party that we, as the United
States, need to negotiate with? I think
is going to be a great challenge for the
Mitchell team and for President Obama.
Thank you.
Robert Pastor:
Thank you very
much. It’s a great pleasure to be here.
Arriving here in the snow reminded me of a
great Peanuts cartoon in which Charlie Brown is
amassing great masses of snowballs. He’s up on
a hill and he’s ready for Lucy. And Lucy comes
around the corner and spots him and says,
“Charlie Brown, don’t you dare throw any of
those snowballs or there will be dire
consequences.” And the last frame has Charlie
Brown saying, “That’s the trouble with life.”
He says, “You have all of these options, but
you never get to choose one.” And of course,
that is the story of U.S. policy in the Middle
East for the last twenty or so years. The
question is whether or not we get to choose
one.
Last April, I
visited with former [U.S.] President [Jimmy]
Carter Sderot and Ashkelon. We saw the rockets,
the impact of the rockets, how they really
terrorized a whole community and the traumatic
effect it had on the people. And the people
were very clear in our meetings with them that
they were frustrated with their own government,
which neither took military action to stop the
rockets nor affected diplomacy to do that. Last
July, I visited Gaza. I requested for the four
previous visits, but that was the first one
that Israel allowed me to visit. And I saw the
impact of the siege on Gaza and the impact of
the full blockade. Some of us talk about
embargos with regards to Cuba, but Cuba can
still trade with 125 nations in the world. And
of course, Gaza cannot. It is shut off. And I
think it is clear to Carter and it is clear to
me that Israel does have the right to defend
itself against the rockets, and that Gazans
have a right to have that siege lifted.
Therefore, the question is how do you get to a
point in which both rights are respected?
Obviously on
December 27 [2008], the Israeli government
determined the only way to do that is by a
massive invasion of Gaza. And what are the
results? At least 1,300 people died perhaps a
majority were not just civilians but women and
children. Another 5,500-5,600 people injured;
400-500 homes destroyed; 20,000 homes damaged.
You had an attack on the American International
School and three other schools, 50 UN
facilities, mosques, the Palestinian
Legislative Council [PLC], most of the
ministries; it was devastated. And I think the
question really is twofold. One: what else was
accomplished? And was there another
alternative? In trying to understand what else
was accomplished, as you know, both Hamas and
Israel declared victory after the invasion.
It’s an absurd declaration on both parts given
that kind of devastation. It shows how they
live in such different climates from each other
and different climates from any of us who can
look and see that this was no success for
anyone. But the hard part is in determining
what the criteria were, what the objectives
were of each side.
Hamas, in effect,
could declare victory if their sole objective
was survival. But what about Israel? What were
their objectives? We never did receive a very
clear statement of objectives from Israel. If
you read the papers, there may have been one of
three different objectives. The first objective
seemed obvious, which was to stop the rockets.
But the interesting thing is that the rockets
never did stop during the invasion. They only
stopped after the invasion and as Israel was
pulling out on a unilateral basis on the part
of Hamas. Another objective may have been to
cripple Hamas and to cripple their command and
control. But interestingly enough, just as
Israel departed, that command and control
reasserted itself in the street. Indeed, I
frankly had expected that that would have been
disruptive and that we would have seen the
emergence of twelve different militant groups
of which Hamas would have difficulties
asserting itself. And indeed, in that sense, it
would have been an irony from the Israeli
perspective. Yesterday, Defense Minister Ehud
Barak confirmed the convolution of that irony
when he said, “We see Hamas as responsible for
everything that happens in Gaza.” That’s a
quote. That’s a fascinating statement that his
second objective obviously was not only a
failure, but it’s not really his objective. In
effect, he realizes that if there is going to
be an effective ceasefire, Hamas needs to be in
control. The third objective was the
extermination of Hamas. Now, you never heard
that from the government, and that is a
horrific statement, obviously, for a country
that was born of the Holocaust to even make
such an assertion. Hamas clearly is a movement;
it’s a party. But it’s also rooted in Gaza and
in the West Bank. Whether it’s a minority or a
majority remains to be seen for the next
election. But it clearly cannot be
exterminated, so that should be ruled out. So,
the question returns, what was the objective?
It’s not clear of Israel. And the more
important question is was there an alternative?
And the answer is yes, there was an
alternative. And indeed, we saw that the
alternative was working for Israel, but it
wasn’t working for Hamas. And that’s why the
rockets started again.
In April, when
former President Carter met with [Hamas leader]
Khaled Meshaal in Damascus and he met with the
Gaza leadership in Cairo and he met with the
West Bank leadership of Hamas in Ramallah, we
pressed Hamas very hard on a number of
different positions. The first was a unilateral
ceasefire, and they insisted that they could
not do it unilaterally that it had to be
reciprocal. The second one was some acceptance
of Israel. And they did agree after a politburo
meeting for three days, after we left and sent
a written statement to Carter, which Carter
read in Jerusalem and informed the Israeli
government and world as well that they would
accept any final status agreement negotiated
between the Palestinian Authority and Israel
provided that was approved in a referendum, a
free referendum, which they asked the Carter
Center and other international observers to
affirm its fairness, or by a new national unity
government that was accepted.
So what did that
mean? What did that statement mean? That
statement meant, in effect, they would accept
Israel as a part of an agreement. Because we
know once you reach a final status agreement,
the preamble will have a mutual recognition.
Israel will recognize an independent
Palestinian state, and the Palestinian state
will recognize Israel. So while Hamas could not
quite bring itself to say we recognize Israel,
it views that as a critical point for a bargain
in a pocket that has very few other coins. In
effect, it said we will accept Israel by that
statement. More significant from the short term
was that at that moment there had been many
talks between Israel and Hamas indirectly
through Egypt, who was trying to mediate a
ceasefire. At that point, Israel insisted that
the ceasefire would only apply to Gaza, and
Hamas insisted that it apply to the West Bank
as well. I think President Carter was able to
persuade Meshaal and Hamas to accept it to
apply to Gaza, therefore, to close the deal.
This was on April 21st [2008]. It still took
two more months for Israel to accept that deal,
but that deal came into effect on June 19th.
And on June 19th, the agreement was that the
rockets would stop at 6:00 a.m. on June 19th.
Within three days, 30 percent of the trucks
that had gone into Gaza prior to the siege in
early 2007 would begin to come into Gaza. And
ten days after that, that is to say thirteen
days after June 19, 100 percent of the trucks,
which was at a level of 750 trucks a day, would
be permitted to go into Gaza.
I met with [Hamas
leader Ismail] Haniyeh in Gaza in July, and I
pressed him that in fact the rockets had not
stopped on June 19. And he acknowledged that
they had not. And he acknowledged that they
were at fault. He said that they had
anticipated that stopping it would be far
easier than it turned out to be. But within ten
days, they stopped. And from late June to
November 4, there were a total of eleven
rockets, according to the Israeli Ministry of
Defense, that were fired from Gaza into Israel.
That is fewer than three rockets a month as
compared to the four months before the
ceasefire for which there was an average of 200
rockets a month fired from Gaza into Israel.
So, one has to acknowledge a significant
reigning in on the part of Hamas. In December,
we posed the same question to Meshaal that
eleven rockets is a very significant diminution
from 200, or actually three rockets a month
from 200, it is very significant, but it is not
zero. And they said, “We acknowledge
that. We tried to stop it. In our judgment, the
rockets that were sent were not by Hamas. They
were sent by al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades. But we
did make every effort. On the other hand, we
cannot renew this ceasefire,” they said,
“unless Israel complies with its side of the
deal.” Israel never allowed even 30 percent of
the trucks into Gaza let alone 100 percent. And
that is in fact true. The number of trucks
allowed in rose from roughly on average of
about 100 before the siege to about 200 after
June 19th. Far away from 750 that had been
promised.
I went from there
to Israel. I met with senior Israeli officials;
one senior military official who had retired
but was familiar with what was happening and
the other one was a very senior person in the
government. And I had with me the text of the
ceasefire agreement that Hamas had given us
actually in July. And I asked the senior
military person, who is now outside of the
government, whether this reflected their
understanding of the ceasefire. He said, “Those
are the basic elements.” I asked the Israeli
government whether it did, and they refused to
acknowledge, confirm or deny the ceasefire
agreement. So, from the Israeli standpoint, is
that they were not prepared to acknowledge all
of the elements of that agreement? They then
said to me, “Have Hamas stop the rockets for 48
hours, and then I will look into the
possibility of allowing 100 trucks in.” I said,
“We’re not going to go to Hamas with a proposal
like that for two reasons. Number one is you
had promised 750 not 100. One hundred is what
you have right now. And secondly, you’re not
even offering a government proposal. You’re
just saying you’re willing to go back and see
whether the government would accept yours.” I
said, “If you want the ceasefire to be renewed,
it needs to come back to the original deal.”
Indeed, Hamas had actually escalated its
demands at that time, but I thought a
reasonable place to start would be to go back
to the original deal. They said they would get
back to me the next day; they never did. And
the result was, nine days later, the invasion
into Gaza.
So, I think the
question as to whether there was an alternative
to the invasion seems quite clear. There was.
There was a way to stop the rockets, and indeed
the rockets had virtually stopped for over four
months. They would have stopped again had there
been compliance on both sides. Now, in effect,
truly the ceasefire didn’t break down on
December 19th [2008], it broke down on November
4. On November 4, Israel launched an attack
into Gaza to destroy a tunnel. There is some
question as to what that tunnel’s purpose was.
There are some people in the Israeli government
[that] said its purpose was to capture another
soldier like Gilad Shalit. And there’s no
question that Hamas had that goal. But I
learned from high levels of both the Israeli
government and Hamas that that tunnel was
actually not reaching across the border. It was
a defensive tunnel in anticipation of a
possible invasion on the part of Israel, very
much along the lines of what Hizballah had done
in Southern Lebanon, that is to say wait for
the Israelis to cross and then they would come
out of the tunnel and kill Israeli soldiers
from behind. Now, the difference between the
two is significant because if it’s the first,
that is to say to collapse a tunnel whose
purpose was offensively to capture a soldier,
then one could understand why the need, why the
immediacy of the attack. If in fact the
purpose is defensive in anticipation of a
possible invasion, then that suggests that
there was no immediacy for that attack unless
Israel was beginning to prepare for an
invasion. That has not been clearly
established yet, but I think it’s an article
that should be written before too long.
So where do we go
from here? I think that the dual ceasefire that
occurred on the eve of the inauguration of
President Obama is very significant. I think
whether there was a direct contact between the
Obama team and Israel has been rumored. We
don’t know for sure, but certainly that magic
date was sitting in the minds of people in both
Israel as well as in Damascus. And that’s not
insignificant because they both wanted to send
a signal to the new administration of an
interest in cooperation. On President Obama’s
part, his promise to Jimmy Carter and to others
was first he would start from day one on this
issue and he would commit himself to working
full tilt in playing an active role towards
peace in the Middle East. He did exactly
that. On day one, he made four telephone calls
to President Abu Mazen of the Palestinian
Authority to President [Hosni] Mubarak in Egypt
to King Abdullah in Jordan and also to
[Israeli] Prime Minister [Ehud] Olmert. And my
understanding is it was in that order, which is
not an insignificant statement in and of
itself. And I think that the announcement of
special envoy George Mitchell is tremendously
significant because he’s a man of independent
stature. He was not a candidate of any of the
major lobbying organizations that had a dog in
that fight. Indeed, there’s some who were very
displeased by that appointment. So, it was a
statement of independence also on the part of
President Obama. But, more significantly, this
is a man who is fair, who is balanced and who
has the experience of Northern Ireland, which
has some things in common and some things that
are of important difference. But the key thing
is that the most important lesson that he drew
was that these conflicts do not need to go on
forever. And I think that is a very, very
encouraging statement.
Where do we go
from here? I think the first and most important
step is to secure the ceasefire. The only way
to secure the ceasefire, to be frank, is we
need to learn the proper lessons from the
failure of the last ceasefire. The first lesson
I would draw is the ceasefire needs to be
agreed to by both sides, signed by both sides.
It needs to be public. It needs to be official.
That’s the single most important step. It’s not
at all clear that both sides agreed to the same
text. There’s reason to question that. But we
do know for sure that there is not a single
text. So that’s the most important. Secondly, I
think, while Egypt played an absolutely central
role in that mediation, the time has come,
given some questions raised by at least Hamas,
that the U.S. join together with Egypt in
trying to make this mediation work either
directly or indirectly. I think that would be
very important.
I think, third,
the ceasefire to succeed needs to be narrowed
to its basic elements. Both sides right now are
starting to throw different things into the
ceasefire, which will make it impossible to
achieve this first immediate and critical step.
The Israeli government would like for Gilad
Shalit to be freed as part of the ceasefire. I
understand. I’m very sympathetic to that. I met
with Shalit’s father several times. But that
has always been negotiated on a separate track.
There are many complexities in that which I
hope can be worked out soon. I think its chance
at success will improve to the extent that a
ceasefire can be negotiated first. But neither
that will succeed nor the ceasefire if they
join them together at this point. On Hamas’
standpoint, they’re starting to throw in war
crimes into this mix, and that certainly can’t
succeed in making this work. The basic equation
of the ceasefire has to be very simple and very
direct. No rockets from Gaza into Israel. No
military incursions or subversions in either
Gaza or in Israel. And the crossings need to be
opened on a specified formula with a number of
trucks that should be going in at a certain
period of time. That has to be linked very
clearly and right away to the rest of it.
Most important, we
need a monitoring mechanism by a neutral
organization, and the Quartet needs to be
involved immediately whenever a single
violation occurs by going to the side that
violated it, seeking an explanation and taking
steps to ensure that the violation not recur.
That is the only way to begin to break the
cycle, which we’ve just started in again of
rockets and retaliation, in which one side is
responsible for an act against the other and
the other says that he has to respond
immediately and harshly otherwise it would be
interpreted as weakness. Both arguments can be
heard from both sides. There’s only one way to
break that cycle. It needs to be done by the
Quartet. It needs to be done by a neutral
monitoring organization. And then if that
ceasefire can hold, then the next steps are,
first, you need a mechanism that will manage
the reconstruction process and that will bring
together Hamas and Fateh together in managing
that. You need to move from that to intra
Palestinian reconciliation in which they
establish a government. Perhaps not of Hamas
and Fateh but in which both sides can reject
nonpartisan people who are part of this
transitional government. That transitional
government would allow the Quartet to work with
them in assuring the next two elements that are
key. One is elections that need to be
held. And also, the beginning of a
process of establishing a unified, nonpartisan
professional security force in the West Bank
and Gaza with international military monitors.
[They] particularly will be needed in Gaza
during the electoral process but obviously over
the long term in any final status agreement in
the West Bank and Gaza. So, those are the steps
that should follow from that. And then, of
course, we get into the final status
negotiations between two sides. But those are
the immediate steps I would say would need to
be taken.
Beyond that, there
are extraordinary opportunities that await
everybody in the Middle East, not just the Arab
Peace Initiative in which the 22 Arab countries
had made clear that they are prepared as part
of a negotiation between Palestinians and
Israel to normalize relations. You have Syria,
which we have met with President [Bashar
al-]Assad several times, which is not only
eager to trade in land for peace, the Golan
Heights, for genuine peace but the potential of
a serious realignment on the part of Syria
towards the West, towards the U.S. It’s very
important that the U.S. be a part of that for a
number of different reasons, not only to
guarantee the agreement but because Syria wants
to reorient its own economy to the West and
towards freer trade. And then, beyond that,
Lebanon and a peace. There is at this moment in
time a unique opportunity to move forward. I
think the appointment of George Mitchell offers
an extraordinary opportunity.
Let me end by
reading from a statement on December 18th that
I think as succinctly as possible, that I’ve
seen, defines the nature of the challenge of
final status and of final peace in the Middle
East that’s really required. This was a
statement given in Tel Aviv, and it was a
statement given by George Mitchell on December
18th [2008] before his appointment and nine
days before the invasion:
I
think that is not only a good description of
the challenge that awaits all of the countries,
but it’s a wonderful statement because it’s
from the person who is now in a position to try
to encourage all parties to make that
succeed.
Thank
you.
Amjad Atallah is director of the Middle East Task Force at the New America Foundation. Dr. Robert Pastor is professor of international relations at American University as well as senior advisor on conflict resolution in the Middle East at the Carter Center.
This transcript may be used without permission but with proper attribution to The Palestine Center. The speakers' views do not necessarily reflect the views of The Jerusalem Fund.